Bye Bye a los cables/DAC LOD iPod/iPhone(por lo menos de momento)

[nepro]

De momento adios a los cables dock (salida línea/DAC) para iPod/iPhone ... el nuevo conector de 9 pins tipo magsafe magnético ¿? -rumor- ni está "licenciado" a terceros ni existe documentación oficial para desarrolladores hard de Apple.



Apple to be sole maker of Dock Connector Adapters
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/sources-apple-to-be-sole-maker-of-dock-connector-adapters/

additional sources have confirmed to iLounge that Apple will be the exclusive initial vendor of a new Dock Connector Adapter, to be sold individually and/or in three-packs. According to sources, the Dock Connector Adapters will sell for approximately $10 each or three for $29, with Apple-branded new USB cables selling for $19 each.

While leaks of the new connector have been numerous, Apple has remained mum on what developers are calling the "9-pin Connector," even though sources claim that Apple has in recent months stopped approving third-party proposals for connector-equipped accessories. Some developers fear that Apple will corner the market for both the adapters and cables, much as it did with MagSafe connectors for MacBook laptops, using licensing agreements and threats of lawsuits to prevent less expensive third-party solutions from coming to market. One source notes that Apple will reap a windfall by limiting competition in this manner, generating revenues of $100 million for every 10 million Dock Connector Adapters it sells for $10. According to the source, Apple estimates that it will sell the first 10 million Adapters by the end of 2012. It remains unclear whether Apple will allow third-party developers to release competing alternatives before then, or afterwards.

[GonzaloM]

Pues a intentar cambiar los conectores, ya me lo esperaba :S

[Arkadi]

Mirándolo desde otra óptica, es también una buena oportunidad para hacerse con DACS, altavoces, bases, LODS, etc., a precio de saldo, para quienes no tengan un Ipod/Iphone de los nuevos que salgan, ¿no?
A.

[repente]

Ya verás como en dos días en eBay o Dealextreme venden cables compatibles, adaptadores o lods...

[nepro]

Ya verás como en dos días en eBay o Dealextreme venden cables compatibles, adaptadores o lods...

Desgraciadamente es un conector "propietario", como el magsafe.
Si no lo licencia Apple imposible. 

De todas formas se desconocen sus caraterísticas y las funciones de los diferentes pins.
Esto último probablemente se puede solucionar con ingeniería inversa -si los dispositivos sólo se identifican con resistencias- pero lo del conector no. 

[picodeloro]

Yo tengo un cargador chino de reserva para el MacBook y viendo el precio que tiene me da que no debe de estar muy "licenciado" que digamos

-- o --
Rodrigo

[nepro]

Authentication chips discovered in teardown of Apple's new Lightning connector
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/09/21/authentication_chips_discovered_in_teardown_of_apples_new_lightning_connector

Peter from Double Helix Cables http://www.doublehelixcables.com took apart the Lightning connector and found inside what appear to be authentication chips. He found a chip located between the V+ contact of the USB and the power pin on the new Lightning plug.

[picodeloro]

"Era visto..."

-- o --
Rodrigo

[nepro]

Todavía es pronto para afirmar -o negar- algo, podría ser parter del circuito de carga/sincronización, Lightning es auto configurable ...

Por otra parte Phil Schiller ha confirmado recientemente que Apple no fabricará docks para Lightning:

Apple Marketing SVP Phil Schiller confirms: Apple has no iPhone 5 dock in the works
http://9to5mac.com/2012/09/18/apple-marketing-svp-phil-schiller-confirms-apple-has-no-iphone-5-dock-in-the-works/

Schiller apparently replied to the user's email and said there were no plans to produce an iPhone 5 dock, as "most people who use docks use them with speaker or clock systems."

Si es así facilitarán información y ¿chips? a terceros bajo la licencia Made for iPod.



Algunas marcas muy conocidas ya están desarrollando accesorios Lightning.

Ya veremos como afecta al DIY de audio.
Para empezar la salida de Lightning es digital 

[nepro]

Por cierto la semana pasado en Amazon USA aparecieron cables Lightning de terceros ...

Por ejemplo el de iTronz y el de Streamline a 9,9$.
(Actualmente: "Currently unavailable")

iTronz USB Sync Data / Charging Lightning Cable 30 Pin to 8 Pin Adapter for Apple iPhone 5 and New Ipod Touch Nano 7th Gen
http://www.amazon.com/iTronz-Charging-Lightning-Adapter-iPhone/dp/B009BPLVAI

Lightning Adapter - iPhone 5 30 pin Lightning Adapter (Pre Order)
http://www.amazon.com/Lightning-Adapter-iPhone-pin-Order/dp/1621611159/

El de Nanotch LLC todavía está a la venta:
http://www.amazon.com/Nanotch-iPhone-Lightning-30-Pin-Adapter/dp/B0097BU9I6/

[nepro]

Shenit Lightning Adapter 8 to 30 pin for Apple New iPhone 5 iPod Touch 5 gen iPod Nano 7
by Shenit
http://www.amazon.com/Shenit-Lightning-Adapter-Apple-iPhone/dp/B009F8WMCW/

http://www.amazon.com/Shenit-Lightning-Adapter-Cable-iPhone/dp/B009F8WMM2/


Lightning Adapter - New iPhone 5 30 pin Lightning Adapter (Pre Order)
by Specialty Accessories
http://www.amazon.com/Lightning-Adapter-New-iPhone-Order/dp/B009CHDB8A/


Hyperion Apple iPhone 5 New 8-Pin USB Sync Data Adapter / Replacement for Lightning
http://www.amazon.com/Hyperion-Replacement-Lightning-Charging-Packaging/dp/B009E8ASJ2/



Lightning to USB Cable
by Generic
http://www.amazon.com/Generic-Lightning-to-USB-Cable/dp/B009ATOZTE/

[GonzaloM]

Podéis mirar en la web de Apple, se venden adaptadores de Lightning al Dock de siempre y un cable que va de Lightning Dock de 20cm.
A mí el iPhone 5 me funciona con los LOD's...

[GonzaloM]

Además daos cuenta de que hay tropecientos mil coches con entrada de iPod/IPhone/iPad, no sería muy normal esa maniobra, por lo que puedo decir mi iPhone 5 funciona con el USB a Lightning y con el USB a Dock de 30 con el adaptador de Dock a Lightning...

[Torpedo]

A ver porque eso no es lo que dicen. ¿Tú puedes pasar señal analógica del iPhone 5 >Lightning-Dock> LOD > Amplificador?

[nepro]

Algunas fotos y comentarios ...

Here's the Chip Apple Is Using to Stop You from Buying Cheap Cables
http://gizmodo.com/5945889/some-third+party-adapters-might-not-work-with-your-new-iphone

    According the Peter, the chip doesn't block the data lines, but you need data and power to connect by USB. That could mean any number of things.

    This could mean that it's less nefarious than a authentication system, that it's just for power regulation - but it looks like a serious microcontroller of some sort, it doesn't look like a garden variety voltage regulator that I've ever seen. It has a mirror-finish shiny metal exterior with lasered numbers on it, it does not look like a generic black IC. If it really costs $3.50 for a lightning plug, then it could be something quite high tech. Whatever it is, it's expensive and highly miniaturized. And the cable isn't going to function without it, that I can tell at this point.


     It remains to be seen whether the chip can be reverse engineered.  Nobody that I know of managed to crack the MFi program before, since digital Apple docks and other MFi certified stuff were always quite costly and only coming from well established name brands that participated in the program. I never saw any off brand, super cheap version of the iPod USB digital audio interfaces that cost hundreds of dollars. If the chip has some code on board that makes it authenticate with the iPhone, then it may be hard to duplicate for sure. If it's doing a "smart" function like pin assignment or something crazy like that, then it definitely is going to be mandatory. Apple has said it's a "smart" connector but it is horrifying that just a basic power charging/sync cord like this requires additional complexity.  But until some serious engineers figure out exactly what the chips do (MFi people are under NDA so I don't think they can tell us without breaking NDA) then it remains open for debate why this cable is like this.

     It could take some serious engineering brain-power to get to the bottom of what this chip is actually doing. Until then, first-party is the only surefire option.